I built up this bike from junk parts. Frame, gears, and 24" rear wheel found along the road, rear derailleur and friction shifters from a road bike in the woods, handlebars and 20" front wheel from a kiddie bike. New BB bearings.
people.tribe.net/sagittand...549c3f5456
But I don't like my test rides. I am tall and 190lbs, and the bike rides very skitterish. Am I too big for it, or should I just practice? (or lengthen the front fork?)
Thanks
-Andy
people.tribe.net/sagittand...549c3f5456
But I don't like my test rides. I am tall and 190lbs, and the bike rides very skitterish. Am I too big for it, or should I just practice? (or lengthen the front fork?)
Thanks
-Andy
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Re: Too skittery?
Sun, December 16, 2007 - 10:05 AMI'm going to guess it's because you have to lean over too far to reach the handle bars (too low) and that the line connecting the handle grips is in front of the axis of rotation of the head tube. In other words, I've found that bikes seem more stable if the steering trails the turning axis of the front wheel. I noticed this with bikes I've tinkered with: that by setting up the steering in reverse (so the handle bars are over the front wheel) that it feels unstable — partially because you can't lean on the handlebars at all because they tend to make the bike forcibly go straight. Bringing the handle bars higher and pivoting them back toward you may help.
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Re: Too skittery?
Sun, December 16, 2007 - 11:58 PMthe front wheel and fork being so much shorter than the original one intended for that frame make the head tube angle really steep, which makes it really skitterish- very twitchey for the slightest steering input. a lager front wheel would remedy it.
another way to 'fix' it is to turn the fork around and smash it into the wall- then turn it back around-it will lengthen the wheelbase and alter the rake and trail in a probable positive way so it's less twitchy.
or extend the fork blades to chopperize it. google chunk 666 for instructions.....
or it could just completely fuck up the fork making it unridable.
a cheapo 26" mtb wheel is usu easy enough to find. I'd go that route first. Then have fun smashing it into a wall. -
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Re: Too skittery?
Mon, December 17, 2007 - 11:00 AMI used to have one just like it, crashed it and snapped my ACL :) -
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 12:51 PMDave>> "and snapped my ACL"
What is an "ACL"? I looked at: acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ACL and still couldn't guess! -
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Re: Too skittery?
Tue, December 18, 2007 - 4:04 PMTomCat,
I took your advice. I tried a 24" mtb wheel on front. It made a noticable improvement.
- With the 24" wheel, trail is 3", steer tube angle 72 degrees.
- With the 20" wheel, trail is 2", steer tube angle 75 degrees, plus the steer tube dropped 2" lower to the ground.
I am surprised these small dimensional changes made such a difference in handling, but I am a believer. I'll have to extend the fork to use the small wheel. Thanks for the good advice, and the good tech doc on the chunk site.
And for a totally different question...
Just how well do 27 x 1-1/4" hybrid tires do on the playa? Everyone says to use mtb tires, yet I saw many narrow ones there.
BryTree,
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Re: Too skittery?
Tue, December 18, 2007 - 5:05 PM'I am surprised these small dimensional changes made such a difference in handling, but I am a believer.'
Trail and rake are usu measured in millimeters in the bike world, Wound Up, a high end fork company, offers their road and triathlon forks in 2 different rake options: 38 and 43mm. so a difference of a couple of mm can make one bike feel completely different from another, if all other things are the same. Tire size and pressure have a lot to do with it as well, but the more major differences on your bike would be to put the right size fork/wheel on the front.
With rake and trail on a chopper bike like on the chunk site can be measure more grossly. But those are true hacks. Subtle differences work on high end precision machines. ballparks work great on hacks, esp when you are very tolerant of the results. I think you are better off replacing the front wheel and fork. Have fun building out other things on the bike. Make it into a tricycle- no worries of falling over when a little tipsy!
With tires, more or less, you want wider tires than 1 1/4" out there, esp later in the week when the playa becomes layered with dust concealing the potholes and slots. I have seen plenty of of 10 speeds and even a few fixies out there, but I wouldn't do it unless you have really amazing bike skills and know your machine well. The minimum width I would start is 1.5 or 1 1/2" wide, which precludes most road bikes and hybrids. A narrower tire is faster, but burning man is not a race- it's too hot in the day for expending that much energy and at night there are too many darkwads stepping in your path. Max you'll be going is 6-10 mph, unless you are riding intercept, where you need to be just a little faster than the artcars who are supposed to be traveling at 5mph max.
At Black Rock City, a bike is the fastest mode of transport.
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Re: Too skittery?
Tue, December 18, 2007 - 10:46 PMAnterior Cruciate Ligament... Very nice for holding your knee together!
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Re: Too skittery?
Tue, December 18, 2007 - 11:25 PMyeah, me too... did the whole acl replacement thang... took years to get over it... but now, I can party hearty and ride all day/night long on the playa... but it took like 7 years to get over it... I still won't take extraordinary chances... too much pain memory... ::sigh::
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